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Thanks for taking the time to re-time the subs and uploading the videos. It's really great to see Wallace's fans doing all we can to spread awareness about the drama!!!
ReplyDeleteI'll discuss the story here at your site for convenience's sake so you don't have switch back and forth to jayne's.
In the novel, originally there were 6 realms. The realm of the gods was the most powerful, but the gods were the fewest in number. They existed mainly to help and sacrifice for the world. Info here: https://rainingstardust.wordpress.com/2014/12/11/journey-of-the-flower-chapter-9/
The last time the Demon God was resurrected, he pretty much destroyed the world. The immortals and gods battled and managed to successfully seal the Demon God, but this effort took a lot of effort and a lot of lives. Ultimately, there was only 1 god left. She uses her flesh and blood to repair a world ravaged and destroyed by the Demon God. After that, she disappears so everyone assumes she is gone forever and the gods are extinct.
Except for Dong Fang Yu Qing, no one else realizes that the last god didn't die but just reincarnated as HQG. This is why her blood kills plants and flowers because her blood is too powerful and these simple living things can't stand its power. It's not a bad thing or anything, it's just that the blood has special power because it's the blood of a god. This is also why the blood has a particular fragrance that's attractive to demons and evil spirits. This is similar to The Journey of the West, why Tang Sanzang smells good to demons, it's because he's the reincarnation of Buddha's disciple. Her blood can also render ancient weapons ineffective. However, BZH will realize HQG's true self in chapter 57 when she saves him: https://rainingstardust.wordpress.com/2015/05/16/142/
You wonder if HQG is BZH's fated calamity, why he doesn't kill himself? This is because BZH is more valuable than HQG so if anyone should die, it should be her. BZH is the most powerful immortal. He has to protect Chang Liu, protect the world, preserve the balance between the good and bad sides, etc. In essence, he's the most important person right now and is responsible for the security of the world. Compared to him, HQG is a nobody, not to mention she was born under a bad constellation not seen in hundreds of years and will bring misfortune to everyone around her. So between the two of them, HQG's importance is nothing compared to BZH's worth to the world.
Thanks for the rundown. But I still don't get why she leads a harsh life when she sacrificed herself for greater good and if she ever knew why she never just kill herself? Because she strives to live?
DeleteAnywhere I can just read a full summary of the entire story or maybe,... can you write one?
Anyway he can't be the most powerful if she is his kryptonite which he falls in love and keeps. I guess ultimately love destroys them both?
So morbid!
This is a summary of the novel with full spoilers.
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Her life is harsh because of her blood, which attracts demons and kills plants/flowers. Naturally, people will shun her because people will fear what they don't understand. And as if that's not bad enough, she's born to be BZH's fated calamity. This is just fate.
Love forces them to take actions that they know are wrong and will destroy them but they still do it anyway, hoping to save the other person. The ending song by Wallace and Zhao LiYing is quite good because it pretty much summarizes the story.
Thanks. What a depressing love story which is torture. Love = sacrifice=torture=true love?
DeleteI disagree with its philosophy as if it is all fated and can't escape it and for a lot more reason but let's watch and see how this series deal with those issues but I love the actors.
In the novel, BZH has 2 swords. The one he uses often is the Heng Shuang sword because it belongs to Chang Liu's Sect Leader. He also has a personal sword called Duan Nian, which is given to him by his teacher. It's Duan Nian that BZH passes onto HQG.
DeleteIn the novel, it's quite significant for BZH to give HQG the Duan Nian sword. First, he can sense if she's in trouble through the sword so he can go save her and send help to her. Secondly, everyone knows the famous sword belongs to him so when other people see HQG carrying the sword, it represents BZH's tacit support for her. Since he's the leader of the immortal realm and currently the most powerful fighter, people will likely not give HQG a hard time out of respect for him. Thirdly, the sword is a weapon from ancient times so it's spiritual. Once it establishes a connection with the owner, in this case HQG, it'll automatically protect its owner if it senses its owner is in trouble.
thanks for the uptobox links
ReplyDeleteHey Funn! Isn't BZH supposed to be a few centuries old in the novel whilst HQG was 12?
ReplyDeleteI don't know. In the series it started when she was 12. Writer probably wrote a Chinese version of twilight. But the series is far more entertaining and less creepy. Is everybody at Chang Liu also immortals??
DeleteI mean 16
DeleteOr more like true blood.
DeleteHi Funn. I think the 3 Chang Liu Dudes are level 9 immortals. Not sure about their teacher but something apparently happens at level 10. The younger generations at CL don't age but not at the immortality stage yet.
DeleteGosh I hate the twilight books. BTW, Bai Bai is very cute, Any chance they have a Hua Hua? Or a Dong Dong Fang? Or a Mo Mo?
If you have time, come over to the TJOF thread at SPCnet! I am bored and not many people seem to be talking about the series!
Elizabeth, so there's a difference being immortal and not dying? I thought immortals do not die but of course if you kill them they will die. What happened to the sifu anyway?
DeleteAnd for immortals, they really don't know how to let go of the human traits or am I mixing this with being a monk?
This is more True Blood than Twilight, thank you very much ! Of course minus the errrr nudity and sex but lots of blood, biting and angst and yeah obligatory centuries old boyfriend. So cool.
Hi Funn. I asked a similar question and Du Zhuang answered it on pg 6 of the SPCnet thread.
DeleteThere are 2 types of immortals. Xian and Shen Xian. Shen Xian is the highest rank where they have been totally enlightened. These don't die or don't die easily.
Xian get promoted to Shen Xian when they have managed to totally rid themselves of human emotions as well as do good for the people.
According to the series, BZH has failed this 10th stage in the beginning and his teacher said he has to pass his Fatal Curse (aka cute girl calling him shifu) before he can progress any further. If immortals fail to pass this stage, they can get stuck or die. Xians who get caught up in their human emotions will get demoted to demons (e.g. Zi Xun, and nearly BZH at the end) Not sure where HQG fits in to this, was she demoted or did she evolve into a totally different species?
I guess monks have a similar process but different religion to Taoism.
BTW, I got a hold of the chinese novel. I am really confused. The plot is so schizophrenic. The alternate endings don't make it any easier to understand.
Hi Funn! Its Shu, not Chu! And yes, it is the same dynasty as Meng Qi You! Since MQY supposed reigned at the end of the Shu dynasty, then MXL should be his ancestor. Which then brings us to the question, is Durian City related to BZH?
DeleteI dislike Qing Shui ATM. She's not evil but her acting is soso and quite exaggerated. ZLY also exaggerates a little but is more natural and cuter than her. BTW, I hate what she does later on in the novel.
Thanks! Changed the mistake.
DeleteI don;t think Durian City is related. I see BZH as asexual and no family. Where got children and relatives?
Who you hate? Qing Shui? Not another HQG hater??
You reading the book right? What's the significance of BZH and Mo errr Bing issit being 2 characters in the novel?
ZLY is ok but in all honesty she seems a bit zoned out at times.
Yeah, ZLY is a bit zoned out (the poor girl has probably been dazzled silly by Wallace's good looks). But ZLY is still young and the script doesn't help by making HQG act super childish and clumsy. But I was impressed with her in the trailer in later scenes. ZLY doesn't come from an acting school, she's not great but I still like her very much. No reason, just personal preference. Can't explain it. I think she is cute.
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Yes. I hate Qing Shui. I dislike the actress and the constant foot stamping and pouting. I even more dislike her sudden backstabbing 16 years later. And it was over a stupid guy.
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BZH and MBX (Mo Bing in the series, Mo Bing Xian in the novel) have totally different attitudes to life and love. MBX's existence allows BZH to unintentionally reveal his own feelings that he had been hiding for so long.
But by having MB as BZH in the series, it gives us more development on BZH's side of the story.
Some novel fans think MBX is awesome as he will willing to act on his love/pity towards HQG in comparison to the repressed BZH who holds back everything.
But I see their characters in a different way. BZH does what he does because that is who he is. He has his own burdens to shoulder, and just because romantic love is not his first priority, doesn't make his love any less pure. So I don't really see a need for HQG to get yet another admirer/sympathizer near the end of the novel but MBX does add some interesting scenes.
I am cool with either version.
BTW, have you read the epilogues/alternate endings? I have mixed feelings.
16 years later? What a grudge to hold.
DeleteAnyway I believe it is smart to combine those 2 character. Already HQG has wayyyyy too many guys supporting her that makes you wonder when she was in deep trouble, did all of them step out to help her? I know heroine needs to have her heroes surrounding her but if this is how the series is written, it does make the author a bit like fangirling thing. Having them as one character explains HQG's obsession and her shifu's love for her.
As for the alternate endings, yeah read them. I'd rather she sticks to one ending however infuriating it is because multiple endings is a writer's worst trait; the inability to let go. Stick with the original which I believe is BZh going crazy and then looking after a child like HQG right? Now with this ending it can open up the sequel; when she remembers. So one of those alternate endings where they marry is possible.
Frankly I like the series but I don't like the story itself. Why should love be so tragic? Why fall for your calamity? Because it is fated. Which means however he or she avoids one another, in the end they're meant to meet and fall in love and cancel one another out. I find such love too punishing.
If not for Wallace and Zhao Liying whom I like, I frankly won't be watching this series because deep down I do feel the story is kinda stupid.
wait! MBX sounds like Dongfang? Is Dong Fang like in the book as in the series?
DeleteYou know since I am slowly writing character intro, maybe do share your feedback of the book vs series version? I read Mantian is bitch from page 1. What about Xuanlang? And the rest? can add those as tidbits.
Wait? Are you reading the novel as well?
ReplyDeleteMXL is called Xuan Yuan Lang. I think SARFT made them change the royal surname so it would fit into an actual historical dynasty (like how Ruby was forced to change the surnames in QSHF). But he is so cute in the novel. He is not a CL disciple and meets HQG very early on. He is a sweet but cocky and foul-mouthed boy but grows up to be regal looking and smart man. I really don't know why he likes HQG so much in the novel. They don't spend that much time together.
Surprisingly, DFYQ is pretty much the same as in the novel, minus the revenge plot. I am perturbed by his trouble-making, but he is smart, direct and witty. But MBX, is mmmm, more seductive and sexy? He is supposed to look like BZH but not as pure and righteous.
NMT is a b**** from page 1. There is no depth. I don't feel sorry for her. She deserves to lose an arm. I think it is better that she fell in love with Shuo Feng rather than Luo 11 in this series. It makes it more understandable why she does what she does to HQG before HQG exiled. Don't like backstabbers like QS. She is not as bad as NMT but considering her friendship with HQG, it was a horrible thing to do.
One thing I dislike and like about is the transformation of TB from a worm to a girl so early on in the story. I dislike it as it will make scenes with BZH and HQG travelling awkward as you can't ignore a large girl as opposed to a small worm. I like it as it makes more sense for L11 to fall in love with a worm in a girl's body than a worm in a worm's body.
In fact, I have a huge problem reading the novel as HQG looks pre-pubescent for most of the novel though she is actually older. I know this allows her final transformation to be more defined both physically and emotionally, but it is very difficult for me to picture grown adult men kissing/hugging a kid and find it romantic, even when it is not a lustful kiss. Why do they have to kiss? I just can't accept it. Same thing with L11 and TB in worm form.
I know the story preaches that love is more skin deep, trust with your heart, not your eyes. But it is not for me. I am glad that they changed HQG to an older girl in the series. Imagine Wallace having to vampire kiss a 12 year old (shudders).
'I think SARFT made them change the royal surname so it would fit into an actual historical dynasty”
DeleteSo strange. Usually they want to fictionalise a historical aspect but here they want a real name to a fictatious character?
I wouldn't call it vampire kiss. It is just drinking blood like eating food! Anyway did he start drinking when she was 12? I thought much later? And in the book there is interspecies kiss?? The books sounds pretty messed up.
No I am not reading since I can't read chinese. Thanks for the tidbit. Need to add those in. I feel Xuanlang was not expanded enough as a character, hardly know him.
There was a nearly an interspecies kiss but one part stopped just in time. The other part was sleeping.
DeleteBZH started drinking when HQG was either 17 or 18 but still in the body of a 12 year old. It's pretty vicious to read. I actually don't like reading about kissing in novels with ancient settings. What is wrong with hugging, which is pretty intense considering values back in those days?
I think MXL's purpose in this series is to give HQG the jade and move the plot along. He is just another silly admirer to me ATM, but he may have a chance to shine if his brother tries to rebel.
Is the drinking in here the same way as kissing??
DeleteAnd what is the significance of the jade??
As TV rules dictate, rebel he will BUT will HQG do something to intervene? Will her intervention in the human world break her promise to her shifu that is never to intervene? Will that lead to banishment?
Or is this series just about loooooooooooove?
There is the drinking blood from the lips halfway through, then actual real kissing much later on (not sure what the series would be like).
DeleteI think the last thing BZH is going to punish her for is the intervene in a mortal rebellion. She is in way worse trouble already for stealing the 16 Sacred Instruments and releasing the Evil God.
I think it is all about loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooove!
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ReplyDeleteThe way I see it is that Fresh Guo Guo was only 16 when she wrote the novel, which was an amazing feat. But 16 is still 16. The understanding of the world and "love" can be limited. Don't get me wrong, I actually like the tragic tone of the story and effort put into illustrating the colourful minor characters. But I disagree that there has to be a massive love polygon or a harem of admirers chasing after the main lead (Mary Sue). And I don't get the love stories where they have replacement lovers or torment the hell out of the other half (SWAK).
I think now that Fresh Guo Guo is older, her views have changes and with her penning the script for the series, she along with other writers have managed to create a more mature version that is more realistic. I think there are fans of the original novel who feel very strongly about the changes to the series but I don't think they are all bad.
I don't have a problem with fated tragic love. People are unable to control their fates despite thinking that they can. It is a fate for them to cause each other's downfall but it is also a type of fate for them to meet and develop mutual feelings for one another. Which brings us to the question, is it better to have loved and lost, rather than not loved at all because you never tried in the first place? Would you really miss something that you never really had before?
For humans who have only a temporary lifespan, they can afford to love as they will eventually lose what they have in due time. But for immortals like BZH, he has more to lose than just himself if he proceeds to let his love consume him and his suffering would be eternal. I like analysing people and their choices in difficult situations.
Anyway, though the author has not specified it, I believe that BZH's doomed fate with HQG only lasts for one reincarnation. According to traditional legend, one is fated to meet the same person for three lives. So BZH is patiently waiting for HQG to grow up so they can be together (as family/friend/lovers) which I believe will eventually happen. But crap, does she need to be mentally retarded and disabled as well? I seriously hope HQG will not be retarded in the series.
I feel that lot of stuff happens in the alternate ending is like adding legs to a snake drawing. It ruins the overall feel of the original main text. (See what happened to BBJQ!) I think Fresh Guo Guo write it to please her legions of fangurling readers who wanted an ultimate happy ending. I think it is cute that she did that for her fans but I mentally keep it as a separate story to the main text.
I am so going to be killed by fans by posting this. o=(oO_Oo)=0
"I think it is cute that she did that for her fans but I mentally keep it as a separate story to the main text. "
DeleteI agree with you. It seems like as she grows older her mind gets younger because if that ending was when she was 16, it shows maturity even if so darn tragic. How's the writing style for a 16 year old?
"Which brings us to the question, is it better to have loved and lost, rather than not loved at all because you never tried in the first place? Would you really miss something that you never really had before? "
Of course better to have loved and lost but if loving means it hurts others, like the very notion of humanity is at stake, better not to love. Not this way anyway where poor girl suffers, man suffers, other kepochi suffers. If bringing these 2 together means true love but also by their actions or inactions is also bringing about the destruction of life, humanity, order, then better sacrifice the true love of those 2 who can't control their fate because fate has it their love destroys them two and the rest of human civilisation.
Woahhhhh what a love man! What kind of story is this??!?!?
"So BZH is patiently waiting for HQG to grow up so they can be together (as family/friend/lovers) which I believe will eventually happen. But crap, does she need to be mentally retarded and disabled as well?'
So wrong. I doubt the writer meant it that way as in sexual way. It is meant to be pure, nothing physical, just emotional. If not, kinda creepy.
The retardation I thought is because of her callous action which means as punishment her soul will be broken into millions of pieces? It is fitting. The price to pay for a serious crime.
What I dont get is what has all these got to do with her being a goddess in her life before? What advantage is that? If there is a trial in the afterlife, HQG will have a say in her trial I tell ya!
"According to traditional legend, one is fated to meet the same person for three lives."
DeleteErrr if she is fated as his calamity for life 1 and they meet because of this fate, if they meet for life 2 and life 3, she is still the calamity of his life. The only way to break this cycle is never to meet again.
"Of course better to have loved and lost but if loving means it hurts others, like the very notion of humanity is at stake, better not to love. Not this way anyway where poor girl suffers, man suffers, other kepochi suffers. If bringing these 2 together means true love but also by their actions or inactions is also bringing about the destruction of life, humanity, order, then better sacrifice the true love of those 2 who can't control their fate because fate has it their love destroys them two and the rest of human civilisation."
DeleteThat is the exact difference in how the two leads feel. HQG wants to love even it may end horribly but BZH prefers not open Pandora's box, knowing the consequences.
"The retardation I thought is because of her callous action which means as punishment her soul will be broken into millions of pieces? It is fitting. The price to pay for a serious crime. What I don't get is what has all these got to do with her being a goddess in her life before? What advantage is that?"
Her retardation is because her god-like body was ruined by one of the 16 Sacred Instruments, plus she was exhausted doing something else before so she died. I think its more of BZH's punishment than hers. BZH says in the alternate ending that as HQG is a god, her missing soul fragments will eventually return to her body. All he has to do is wait.
Her previous incarnation as a Goddess is a prerequisite to what happens when the 16 sacred instruments are gathered together. I won;t spoil it for you. =D
"Errr if she is fated as his calamity for life 1 and they meet because of this fate, if they meet for life 2 and life 3, she is still the calamity of his life. The only way to break this cycle is never to meet again."
Legend also says that there is a set amount of fate set aside for all couples. Couples who are unable to use up the fate in one live can use in the next reincarnation. So my interpretation is that the curse has finished when HQG died, but their fate together has not been used up yet. BZH is trying to train HQG into immortality again so she won't have to reincarnate and they can be together forever.
"So wrong. I doubt the writer meant it that way as in sexual way. It is meant to be pure, nothing physical, just emotional. If not, kinda creepy."
That is pure torture. HQG has naughty hands and lips in the alternate ending. But he can't respond because she is still a kid. That's horrible! And creepy!
Hooked Jade has a hidden power. The bell is a reminder of BZH and HQG's close bond as well as the happy times together alone in Jue Qing Hall. Both are very important to the later parts of the novel. And I feel that the Peach Blossom Stew and the CGI bun will also be important pieces in the story later on.
ReplyDeleteMy Tan Fan did not go and join a cult! =( He's gone to do good deeds in the mortal realm and see if he can upgrade his cultivation. He's doing that to show Zixun how to let go.
ReplyDeleteBZH's grumpy senior is Mo Yan. (Gosh I hate this guy!) He's too busy to take students because he is looking after Chang Liu whilst its leader, BZH is handling other affairs.
Joking lar. Point is he is having a great time or pretend to be.
DeleteI hate that Mo Yan too but I like his head piece and his fashion. If he is looking after Chang Liu, BZH is handling other affairs, like what? They r all at the same place. What about the other easy going one:? What does he do?
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DeleteMo Yan is a hypocritical jerk in the novel! He has my vote as the most hateful character in the whole novel!
BZH does CEO stuff, like: attend birthday parties, attend xianxia board meetings, have video conferences, and gain lots of frequent flyer points. But seriously, I think BZH does everything telepathically, liaising with other sects on how to protect the 16 Sacred Instruments and flying to break up fights between the immortals and demons.
Sheng Xiao Mo has students but his main role is to break up the tension between Grumpy and BZH. I like him.
By the way, keep an eye out for Team Get A Life in ep 18. Watch the teaser and you will understand. =)
"By the way, keep an eye out for Team Get A Life in ep 18. Watch the teaser and you will understand. =)"
DeleteJust saw the trailer. Maybe, just maybe if our immortal and his calamity are left alone, really left alone, everything else won't happen. In a way everybody else is their calamity. Everybody is somebody's broom star. Grrrrrr what's wrong with zixun? so jealous. and mantian, so angry. I am quite bored with the so angry and so jealous all the time.
I feel cos sorry for Jiang Xin that she got a crazy role like this though I think she is doing great. All she does is stalk BZH and glare at HQG. I hope she does more when she turn to the dark side. It is sad because ZX was a pretty mild character in the novel - very lost but not evil and she got along with HQG. I guess her screentime is expanded in the series.
DeleteActually if we look at the trailer, HQG looks like she is everyone's fated calamities. BZH, SQM, ZX, NMT and DFYQ all fell from due to her existence. Dong Hua may have fallen due to his guilt towards DFYQ.
And to answer your question in your blog entry, HQG was more than immortal at the end of the novel. There were assassins but none of them could get near her. But because BZH jabbed her with the Xuan Yuan Sword (the series better not change it to Duan Nian to make it more tragic because it won't make sense why her soul is splintered), she died.
I actually don't mind Wallace whatever his build. And I don't think he is skinny now. Look at his biceps. Why is he slimming down for? Is it for that "Eyes wide shut (?)" series or is it because people say that he is fat after watching TJOF YTubers are mean to say Wallace is fat.
Hi. MXL (or XYL in the novel) was actually quite powerful in novel due to his own ability, but also because the sword he carried was one of the 16 Sacred Instruments, the Xuan Yuan Sword (yeah, the Hu Ge one). And he did beat his opponent in the novel.
ReplyDeleteThis version sucks because he is nothing more than a lovesick puppy. And he doesn't even get to pull out the sword of his scabbard and then BZH shows up and steals the thunder.
Anyway, XYL's character was supposed to show up at Mt. Tai Bai because that was supposed to be his grand introduction into the story as an adult. He only appeared as a foul-mouthed kid in the beginning and that was it. Then he recognised HQG from their early friendship and gifts her the Xuan Yuan sword, which allows her to collect all 16 instruments more easily later in the story.
By introducing MXL as an admirer earlier on the story and making him useless, it has ruined how the pieces of the novel fit together so many original plot devices cannot be used. The whole Mt Tai Bai Seige (30 clumsy masked peeps attacking = seige?, there were more people at Mt Shu Seige) was horribly disappointing! I had rather they added CGI orcs all around the area to make them look more formidable. Bad move, scriptwriters.
BZH comes to save the day (and HQG) while Grumpy and Happy stay at base camp to protect Chang Liu in case they get attacked.
I like how the series handles the emotional side of the story but the fights are really boring.
The way things are going I was so happy BZh appeared. Xuanlang's character is boring. Novel sounds more fleshed out. Thanks for explaining. Was thinking why send a guy who can't fight or do magic to a fight unless he has auto magic because he is emperor, like chosen to be the special one and so heaven will protect him. In the end he just appear and then... nothing. Shouldn't SQM be grabbing his sword? Will seem easy. Also all of a sudden Duan Nian also became useless, didn't even cut off the lizard's tongue.
DeleteSQM doesn't want his sword. He doesn't care about the 16 Sacred Instruments or reviving the Demon God. According tot he series, he only wants the Liu Guang Harp because it probably was what his sister died for.
DeleteDuan Nian is not that powerful in HQG's hands if it could be knocked aside by NMT. But Duan Nian is great when BZH is controlling it. But let's see what happens later when HZG and the sword build up chemistry and fight NMT.
Looking forward to travelling scenes between master and disciple. Lots of bonding time. Enjoy the sweetness while it lasts.
I also want to see BZH walk in on HQG hugging MXL. (Actually, I would rather SQM walk in on HQG hugging MXL and then things can get violent, but whatever.)
Was SQM ever in love with HQG?
DeleteNot romantically according to the novel. SQM initially saw HQG as a replacement for his dead martial sister (not biological as in the series) who he is very close to. But gradually, he got won over by HQG's genuine personality (she's cute as a button!) and treated her as family for real.
DeleteBasically, HQG and SQM's martial sister both ended up on the Immortal Vanquishing Pole and got the Nail punishment (plus she got obsessed with a guy from CL (won't say who) but he did nothing to protect her as she and her BB died). He failed to protect and save his martial sister in time so that is why he reacted so strongly when CL wanted to kill HQG and why he would risk everything to bring her back from the other realm.
Did you say BB????
DeleteThe series version sister is too haughty, like killed herself because she felt ignore. Not sure she was meant to be blood sister or just sect sister. Didn't catch that.
I am not sure why the series decided to tone down the sister's death but i thought it was great comparison between past and present in how the lover dealt with the Pole and Nail situation and shown us what could have happened to HQG if BZH did not intervene. LIu Xia's story was quite tragic. D**** you, MY!
DeleteI think in the series, the sister is just devastated because all her brother and lover seem to care about is the Liu Guang Qin (I'm not even sure what a western harp is doing in an ancient chinese series, qin is supposed to be what BZH plays, but whatever...) so she kills herself,
I suppose it is too repetitive. Too many characters no need for comparison.
DeleteOh what will happen to HQG if BZH did not intervene?
DeleteWorst case die. Not worst case, probably mortally wounded but not dead and no more power which should be a happy ending. And she dies, BZH lives on without calamity or regret. I still believe if HQG had killed herself she would have saved a lot of people a lot of trouble. Maybe this life is not hers to live but again the fate thing means she is meant to live and destroy everyone's life in various ways. She basically hurt or killed off most male characters in here from what I see. The novel will be 5 chapters long. The end.
Upon completion of the Pole and Nail punishment, HQG would have been initially mortally wounded with the maximum pain, then the Nails will drill away at her immortality and then her life. Then they will splinter her soul so she can never be reincarnated. So no, BZH would have been devastated, calamity fixed or not.
DeleteBZH's choice to spare HQG on the Immortal Vanquishing Pole may not have been the best decision considering what happened afterwards, but at the time, it was the best compromise that he could find between his sense of duty and his personal emotions. He knew that what HQG did was wrong, regardless of the reason, but he stays true to his principles, right is right, wrong is wrong. But on the other side is his human emotions where BZH will fight to protect HQG (who is the closest living being he has). BZH sees the same people everyday for centuries, but he doesn't have any personal emotional connection to them, but he has it with HQG. He priorities the 6 realms first, but he does not view them as "his" six realms. But he does see HQG as his HQG.
In the novel, there is no fated calamity. I am reading it for the 2nd time now and am pretty sure of it. So HQG doesn't know her fate and neither does BZH. So it doesn't make sense her to kill herself for no reason. She accepts her punishment because in one way or another, she is trying to protect her beloved teacher's reputation and wants to earn his forgiveness. And at the time, she was worried about Nan Wu Yue who she took on as her own kid, so she would not have killed herself unless she was sure he was safe.
I think in hindsight, we would all do things different if we all knew the exact consequences of our actions. But life is the unpredictability of cause and action and seeing where the chain reaction takes us to. There is no going back; only regret remains.
DeleteI actually got a side story of "Hua Qian Gu" which takes place when BZH and HQG go on their travels after the battle at Mt Tai Bai. So it is roughly at a similar point to where the series is now, at ep 17.
I haven't got around to reading it yet. But people have told me that this is where the fated calamity theme is introduced, but not as "Sheng Si Jie", and rather "Po Suo Jie". It actually explores the "what if" of this tragic love affair.
So I guess Fresh Guo Guo thought of this plot device after completing the original novel and added it into the current series where BZH knows HQG is his fated calamity yet does what he does. But I'm not sure if something went wrong with the copyright, because I'm seeing Wallace saying "Po Suo Jie" but he's been dubbed over as saying "Sheng Si Jie". And Jiang Xin says the same thing in the trailer as well.
What is po suo jie?
DeleteSo in the book there is no calamity, it is straight up unfortunate love story? I think the series made more sense then. Makes whatever he does reasonable, including ignoring her, helping her, punishing her. In the novel he just took pity on her?
"Po Suo Jie (婆娑刧)" is the name of the calamity that HQG is to BZH. You either go crazy or die after meaning him.her. It has some Buddhist meaning that I am unfamiliar with. Maybe you should ask lidge. I will tell you more about it once I feel like reading it. I'm writing my fanfic at the moment and I don't like to get influenced by other works. I'll get back to you by next week.
ReplyDeleteYes, in the original text, BZH does what he does purely due to his own feelings and judgment but that is not very explored. BZH is more pitiful in the series because of the influence of fate.
BTW, are you going watch Hua Xu Yin? I have been torn about watching it since people say the story is good, but the costumes look hmmmm.
The Kevin Cheng one? Probably no. Let me finish with HQG first. Usually I start watching Mainland series when finished broadcasting but HQG is different.
ReplyDeleteI don't find BZH pitiful. He has a choice. He made his choice. I find HQG pitiful because she hardly has any choice.
Anyway Captain Of Destiny (think that's the title) may start soon so that will definitely take up my time.
I find HQG more pitiful but I still find BZH pitiful because he keeps on being misunderstood as heartless and cruel.
DeleteHe looks to be in control of everything but in fact, he is a prisoner to his duty and obligation. He cannot step away because firstly, the demons vs immortal struggle is at the height and secondly, there is no one else to fall back on. There is no one qualified or willing to take the reins from him even if he wanted to leave. His choice is actually not what he wants but what the world wants. He has no real freedom until the world no longer needs him but by then, he has nothing left and lost the only thing dear to him.
And then we get the master and disciple barrier. It may seem OK now as they are not biologically related. But according to ancient values, master is like a father. To love or express romantic love towards HQG is like an unforgivable crime to him. He views it as incest. It is not right and should be eradicated. But that is not the reason why he stabs her with swords and nails. (That's another complicated story.)
In fact, he hates himself more for having those thoughts than what HQG has done, even at the end. He was willing to stay with her in captivity for the rest of their lives and give HQG every other kind of love except romantically. But in the novel, that is what she continuous pesters him for when he is captured. That is the only thing she wants from him and pushed him to "his choice". He even wanted to die with her but she wouldn't let him. That was HQG's choice.
In the modern perspective, it can be easy to criticize BZH's actions and choices. But they seemed valid using ancient values. I think it takes two hands to clap. Both BZH and HQG contributed to the eventual ending and both of them had to deal with the consequences 30 years later.
"But according to ancient values, master is like a father."
DeleteTo modern values it still is. Like teacher-student except now is the concept of trust as in being given a duty and in a position of trust. In any culture, in any time, it is forbidden.
But he does love her romantically however much he suppresses it?
In modern times, teacher/student romance is still frowned upon if it happened while one party was underaged. But no one really causes if an adult student wants to marry an adult teacher, unless they got some academic privilege out of the relationship. Jin Yong's third wife was one of his students and no one cares apart from his second wife whom he divorced. (That's how we got ROCH!)
DeleteLet's find another example that relates more to BZH and HQG. Woody Allen married his adult adopted daughter who he raised from young (ewww) and had two kids with her. It is perfectly legal though freaky.
This is basically what BZH feels it is like since he raised HQG since 14 and she actually stayed that appearance for years until she transformed. It is much more acceptable in the series since she was 17 when they started living together.
And yes, BZH does eventually realise that he loves HQG romantically after he imprisons her under CL Sea. He initially thought he just cared strongly for HQG as a disciple or as a family member. Even when Grumpy splashed him with the water from the Emotional Pool, he didn't react until later when the scar got worse and worse and he finally understands that the type of love he has for HQG has changed.
By this point, he had already caught a glimpse of HQG in her beautiful adult goddess form so it is more OK than if he fell in love with someone who he had only seen as a kid. (Woody Allen is going to love this book!)
The way I see it, a person cannot control what emotions and feelings ones had. It is part of them and a most genuine response. But you can control how you act on it.
BZH knew he loved HQG as a man loved a woman, but he was unwilling to acknowledge it to others or act upon it because it was wrong in his mind. And he was sure not going to tell HQG cos she was crazy enough about him at the time and didn't want her to fall any further because of him. If he couldn't control her, then he had to control himself.
HQG was not her cute self anymore at the end. She knew BZH was drugged with aphrodisiacs (but she wasn't the one who drugged him) and then sent a beautiful female into the room. That was such a crazy chapter. Ew...
So yeah, I pity BZH. (but judging from the trailer, the series will replace it with other emotional scenes so I'll let you know if I still pity Wallace's BZH by the end..)
Now you got my attention.
DeleteWhat happened when beautiful female entered room and how come wasn't her who entered? Tell me all!!
Now I read further what you wrote, maybe at 16 years old the author sees the restrain and the passion as true love etc, but from an adult perspective, at that point of time maybe the relationship however passionate or restrain has turned toxic where one refuses to break his principle and the other seemingly wants him to and thus does thing to one another that is both supportive and harmful. Kinda like a relationship gone wrong and should in real life stay away from one another because love isn't everything.
DeleteI don't know what Fresh Guo Guo was going through at the time she wrote the first edition but her view of love are very strange for a 16 year old. I'm not sure if Fresh GG had it mind when she wrote the novel but I find that HQG has this complicated inferiority complex when it comes to BZH and her stubborn obsessive attitude is very unhealthy for the relationship.
DeleteBZH and HQG are both good and bad for each other. Their predestined fate played a part in destructiveness of their relationship, but so does a breakdown of communication.
BZH did a lot of things for HQG but never let her know. BZH was also forced to do something to HQG which was out of his control. HQG believed that he was a willing participant and that BZH had given up on her. BZH never explained his side of the story to her and I believe she still did not know the whole story at the very end, which brings upon the curse.
I think the series may approach it differently.
I hope it does. I hope the curse is out of love and not out of hate because then this is not a love story to remember but a relationship turned toxic and I suppose maturity brings a level of recognition of what sort of relationship is being written here; in the end an indirectly abusive one and I might end up rooting for them never to be together. In fact I can't see how all the things happening and how fans would wish for the happy ending that the author wrote because sometimes so much hurt, even when forgotten, still lingers and neither has any right to any happiness between them. One who did much but explains nothing is really as bad as one who directly cursed him.
DeleteI want a positive ending; I want two people who enrich one another's life, not one which in the end goes down the road of such hate and anger and disappointment. I hope with age and new perspective, the author will present an ending that is different from the book just so the adaptation is different and complete. Sometimes reading it may not be like watching it. Women reading the stupid 50 Shades might think it is romantic but in cinema, if shown fully, I am sure women will cringe.
Come on! Give us a good reasonable enriching ending!
P/s teenagers view of love is Twilight; controlling boyfriend disguised as concerned boyfriend, cold emotionless boyfriend who does a lot but explain little disguised as cool guy. Punishing you for right and wrong is taking on a father figure as in teaching us. Women wants love and affection, men with duty has to ignore them. Love is more than money, it is about sacrifice, punishment, pain, how much pain can either bear whether physically or emotionally. All these are creepy and in some ways idealistic. When we were much younger we think of white knights and princes, when we become teenagers our ideal love turns into what Fresh Guo Guo would have imagined at 16 except it is a wrong perception. When we are adult, we changed. Sometimes we redefine romanticism, sometimes we become jaded but all for the better. Then as we grow older love becomes mundane but never out of reach for anyone. Mundane doesn't mean boring, but rather less exciting as imagined. Because passion isn't always how much suffering one can take in the name of love. Love isn't really about pain and hurt. At my age looking at this story of BZH and HQG which happens in real life but less dramatic and no wuxia and fantasy but between 2 people so in love but inadvertantly punishes one another even unwillingly so, my age tells me wisdom dictates this sort of love is hopeless love and sometimes you never marry the one you love the most. THat sort of intense passionate requited but destined never to be together. Not many can have that privilege and survive the ordeal. In the end we will always end up with the right person whom we grow old together, and though some may wonder what ifs and think about that guy or girl you so passionately love that you willingly cut yourself so to speak, those with reason will in the end work out life works out in mysterious way. Yes one must have passion but life's too short for such rollercoaster.
DeleteIn the end my personal view is life should be about the simplest of all happiness; be with the person who makes your eye twinkle and makes you smile and makes you bear with the pain but also take your hand to the end of the road whatever the obstacle. You may say HQG and BZH has that sort of the relationship but she failed the hardship and trust test and he fails the emotion and acceptance of his emotion test and they become toxic from the look if it and this is where the relationship was never meant to be.
Which was why I suppose in FResh Guo Guo's mind the best ending is when she retains her childlike manners and he could take care of her, which was how it was at the beginnng of the story. The problem is that is a false ideal. This is to say she is forever stuck in the past and he is forever never moving forward; and I feel the alternate ending should be when she remembers, she should move one, find a life of her own and be independant and then come back like 100 years later and try again with him.
After all being immortals they have time.
Judging from the trailer, there will be much less "physical torture" in the final parts and more talking/arguing and "what if" illusions before the curse comes about. And plus, making BZH = MB actually cancels out a large part of the torture scenes (thank heavens) so I think we will get a different interpretation of HQG's thoughts and actions. But the eventual ending should still be the same. I think that is somewhat positive after the tragic ending.
DeleteWhen we are young, we view love as one passionate affair that lasts a lifetime, where you have to give all or nothing. But in reality, love sometimes fails. Romantic love is only one little aspect of our lives. People have commitments and obligations that they they just can't dump on someone else and elope. I find people tend to confuse passion with love.
It is like two sharp jagged rocks that come together but end up scratching each other. But upon trying and changing to make things work, the sharp edges are gradually eroded away leaving two smooth round pebbles that won't hurt each other again.
I think reignited is more healthier as previous problems have been addressed and considered and both parties mature emotionally. You know what is around the corner and you are prepared for it. But sometimes it doesn't work so in that case, it is best to leave each other alone and let it go.
In this story, we know that at least one party has changed for the better. So I think it is a positive ending whether the other party eventually reciprocates or not.
BTW, I hate 50 Shades. I hate Twilight. And I think SWAK is weird. TJOF is actually much more healthier by comparison.
Just before the curse, both characters were at breaking point. BZH was fuming at HQG because of all the stuff he had done for her (yeah, man, cos you didn't tell her) and HQG was yakking on about why doesn't he want her (because you are abusing and humiliating him). I think they both have strong personalities and egos which are destructive to both themselves and who they love. Someone needs to give way in a tug of war in love or the rope will break and both will become losers. I think the thirty years of madness and separation did good for both of them. They need time apart (and lots of therapy) to reflect and chill.
DeleteHQG actually does leave BZH in the alternate ending and bump into a member of her old harem. Then she recovers her memories and makes her choice again.
I actually do not have a problem with BZH looking after HQG in the ending, since he is also trying to heal her and find the rest of her soul fragments so she can get better. Xiao Long Nu raised Yang Guo since 12 and they turned out OK.
What I have a problem with in the alternate ending is that she is totally emotionally, and physically dependent on him (food, clothing, bathing, sleeping) and he does not let she get in contact with ANYONE for years. She is emotionally, physically and geographically isolated from others, except for him. It is like he is raising her and conditioning her to be his when she grows up! That is a control freak!
I prefer the open ending but without the retardation and young age. I seriously hope Fresh Guo Guo drops this in the series. And I get this feeling from Wallace's interview about BZH that it shouldn't be too crazy an ending.
And I am not watching Hua Xu Yin. I have been told that the "love stories" are even more illogical and torture-based and there is no silver lining.
DeleteI am going to wait for Hu Ge's "Nirvana On Fire" in September and Ruby's "Chang Ge Xing".
That is seriously screwed up BZH becoming so possessive. That can't be my wallace!! No! I am doing 3 things;
Delete1. I shall IGNORE the book BZH. I don;t like him at all.
2. I pray for a better written ending and way to the ending.
That is beyond control freak man! Beyond! That is not my super cool laid back shifu. No way. How can anyone like this BZH or so screwed up to see possessive being romantic?
Urghhhh... poor HQG. Wrong wrong wrong!
Anyway let;s go back to the writer. Do you think she writes well?I mean let's not talk about the story whatever but her writing?
I can tell you Twilight is the worst book ever, 50 shades not a lot better, Hunger Games a close third.
And all these by first time writers. Now maybe people will appreciate jeffrey Archer.
I only ever read a book by chinese author because it is translated and it was a gu long story. The one who translated captured gu long;s style and gu long's style was amazing. In a few short words he managed to basically describe everything, mark of a great writer.
One party changed for the better? As in BZH? Did he changed for the better? From your description on what's the come, I think being emotionless suits him just fine.
DeleteHi Funn! There is the official open ending which I sort of accept and think the series will be ending with. I think he has changed for the better in this version.
DeleteThere we get the unofficial alternate "happy ending" which I cannot tolerate. Maybe they can justify that because HQG cannot take care of herself, it is OK for BZH to bathe her. He did let her have a try, then stepped in when she fell. Food, clothing OK. Sleeping. OK. He wanted to sleep apart but she kept crawling back into his bed and kissing him. But he when isolates her and repels all those who come to visit? That has just gone over the creepy line for me!
Maybe to protect her from prying eyes? That she is not prepared to see anyone else who knows her, to see her in such condition? I condemned Sister Fa story for the same reasons but if there is no romance or wifely duties, I guess this is like a husband taking care of a wife with dementia and alzheimer.
DeleteAnd she knows to kiss him huh?
I think the writer had a great way with words if she wrote it when she was only 16. This was written in Chinese, and the language flows well. She is very descriptive and shows a lot of imagination in the creating the different worlds and the characters are very vivid and colourful. The plot is suspenseful and engaging, especially towards the middle where most of the tragedies happen one after the other, where there are burst of emotions from a lot of the characters.
DeleteHowever, maybe due to her age, there are some bits where modern lingo is used which is out of place. Sex is known as XOOX. Glass is also mentioned. I do have a special interest in ancient chinese history and culture so I am picky when I detect inconsistencies. But they are things I am willing to overlook.
Plotwise, I think it is a success. She creates a long saga of an underdog story where the main character is very cute and likeable and you will root for her amongst the school bullying. It accurately describes how a young girl develops a crush on an older supervising figure and then gets closer to him step by step until it becomes an obsession.
The story runs at a good pace for two-thirds, until the past 20 chapters whether the story turns very dark and bitter. This is the point where I find the pace gets draggy and the author gets lost in what she wants to express from the tumultuous relationship.
I don't hate the book. I quite like it but just not all of it. There are things I don't agree on, but I finds the book enjoying to read.
And I won't describe BZH as emotionless. He is a very compassionate and kind person inside, but because he is 300 years old, he is more zen and less reactive to changes because he has seen it all (good & evil, life & death). His life is all routine. He doesn't even need to eat or sleep. (I'm not sure why he still needs to bathe).
Things looks mundane to him. But he is still able to feel emotions, though he is not good at expressing it because he has been living alone and aloof for centuries. He probably feels emotions without knowing he feels them, until it builds up. He was very very sad in the later half of the series,
Back to the official ending, BZH was much less uptight by then. As I said, 30 years was good for him.
I think we need to separate the official novel from the unofficial alternate ending, then separate both of them from the TJOF series airing now. Even if the end point is the same, the process will be different. I think Ma Ke words it perfectly, try to see it with the same characters but with a different set of circumstances.
This regarding the alternate ending that is unrelated to the series or original novel. Keep it mentally separate. And whatever you do, do not picture Wallace and Zanilla in it.
DeleteI think BZH believes that the world and him has hurt HQG too much already and he has to protect her from any form of harm. So he gets this mountain and make sit their home, but refuses to let people in. I think he doesn't want anyone to get in between them again.
She's got this magic pig beast that keeps her company. HQG is hugely obsessed with BZH, even as a child, and starts feeling him up or kissing him on the lips whenever she can. (which is strange since she is such a fragile condition)
Somewhere down the track, he does take her out, then lets her go out alone but stalks her, and then totally freaks out when she wants to leave him for DFYQ. Then after a lot of hoofalah, they get married and live happily ever after.
As I said before, I find this ending is like adding legs to a snake. I find the changes pointless, and makes the characters a bit pathetic, clingy, and annoying. There is too much detail into their daily interaction that makes it creepy. I know this is the ending that the most people in the forum are rooting for but I don't think it is going to happen.
My feeling is this will be the ending except tweaked a bit. Meaning a cliffhanger with her remembering her past and then we will forever be left wondering will they be together or not, that sort and I will HATE the writer for that ending.
DeleteBetter that ending than having Wallace look lovingly at a drooling 7 year old before the credits roll in.
DeleteDoes anybody know how close the series will be to the novel? There are some heart-wrenching scenes, and I don't know if I could take it. Man...the 15-min trailer got me all hyped up. It seems like an inevitable fate for HQG.
ReplyDeleteBut I don't understand. The last God reincarnated as HQX. So, she's the good God right? I read she's gonna be the Demon God later on. Why?
Elizabeth has been explaining some plot from the novel and it seems apart from some character changes which isn't really a huge departure but rather emphasis is changed, the plot has some minor changes to may give more reason or angst to certain characters, more reason but from the looks of it looks like heading for the same tragic events and ending. But since the author is revising her own story and with multiple endings to choose from, I am hoping for a happier ending rather than a tragic or ambigous one.
DeleteYes she's a good god. That part also I can't understand but why she became demon I suppose was due to her inability to let BZH and her love for him go so she changed into demon, with all that hatred festering inside her. Much like Zixun in the series.
HQG got the powers of the demon god within her through a series of very unfortunate circumstances, but she was never evil. HQG didn't even want the powers, but had to use it to save someone. And BZH also placed a blood seal on her so the powers could not be manifested.
DeleteI think HQG eventually became the Demon God out of disappointment. She remained hopeful, kind and optimistic throughout all the hurdles in her miserable life, but then when she (thinks she) lost everything/everyone all in one go, she just stopped caring because it hurt too much to lose someone/something she cared for. She put too much into the world yet the world let her down time and time again.
Then someone died and it was the last straw and she broke the seal and transformed. She was more cold and indifferent than actually evil. She turned a blind eye to whatever her demonic followers were doing but she never indulged it or took part herself. Her hate was more directed to NMT who really deserved it. But her erratic behaviour and massive mood swings, I interpret as the doing of the demonic powers within her.
Understandable. How much shit can one take eh before one just burst? The one who died... let me guess.. DF?
DeleteI think this series should be OK. It is not a word-to-word adaptation which is both good and bad for various reasons. It is a horrible adaptation of the novel if you just look at the plot and a lot of minor characters or their development are cut out. But China's SARFT has very strict rules for broadcasting and I am not surprised at the changes made to the script. SARFT is not going to tolerate the series to have anything that hints at homosexuality, pedophilia, blood and gore, SM scenes or even sexually suggestive scenes. Not to mention the restrictions on religion.
DeleteI view the series as a more mature version of the novel, where characters are more fleshed out emotionally and themes are explored to a deeper level. There are parts where I think the series has handled it better and parts where I just wish they copied from the novel. There are scenes from the novel that are straight out weird and I am glad that they have been cut.
But the overall plot, themes, relationships and conclusion should be similar to the novel. I don't think Fresh Guo Guo is going to butcher her own work for no good reason. If you enjoy the series, then continue watching it. But if you hate the changes, then go and read the novel.
No, Funn. Not DF but she and DF got really really close by that times.
DeleteAlso, nearly all the characters have some tragic sob love/lust story in the novel so that sort of changes HQG's views on the world by the time she meets up with BZH after escaping from some place and everything falls to pieces.
Oh.... the worm!!!!
DeleteAh, I see. Thanks Funn and Elizabeth. :)
DeleteIt doesn't make sense to me why a good God has to suffer so much. It seems like all her effort will be in vain. HQG deserves better than that.
I think the story shows that it doesn't matter whether you are a human, immortal, demon or even a god, you cannot fight your predestination.
DeletePoor god. even god is subject to fate. Why be god then? If immortal is still within fate, waste of years of cultivation. Nahhhh that is the author's intrepretation. I prefer JTTW. Yes it is fated but you know what, the journey for the sutras isn't about the sutras but the experience gained from the journey that makes someone more positive. Love is not in the equation; compassion is.
DeleteI wonder is this story started as a fan fiction and if yes who was the author thinking for certain characters?
As I said back in the Jaynestars, myths and legends tend to raise immortals and gods to a high pedestal. Xianxia dramas like to drag them down and make them more miserable than mortals.
DeleteIf you want to link to JTTW, each of the three disciples had their own weakness to overcome before they could reach enlightenment and honour.
TJOF's immortals all have their own weaknesses as well but none of them reach enlightenment because the writer dislikes them and all of them are doomed.
I think this story started out as fiction. Not sure about the Fanfiction.
BTW, my sources just got back to me. Ma Ke started acting at age 9, mainly in comedies paired with Yang Zi (Wallace's wife in "Battle at Changsha").
Funn! Is the show broadcast every tuesday and wednesday?
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DeleteEffective 5th July changed to sun and Mon because new episodes comin in yesterday. Not sure why change.
From Li Chun's behaviour in Happy Camp, it does seem that she has been fangurling Wallace.
ReplyDeleteIn the "Who is the Spy?"segment, she had the last vote in the round and yet would rather get herself voted off to protect Wallace who was obviously the spy due to excessive blinking and tongue movements when under stress. Clever Jiang Xin caught onto that in Round 1 and kept on voting Wallace off. So I guess that LC and WH are probably close or friendly off screen as well. Good for them. Hope the paparazzi doesn't scare her away.
Anyway, I agree that BZH is not in love with HQG, but he does feel threatened by DF's presence. He has long sensed something wrong with the guy for many eps but has been unable to prove it.
At this stage, BZH feels a connection to HQG and with her avoiding him, he has for once, felt the emptiness and loneliness in his large room that he had not felt before. But I did believe that he thought HQG has a crush on him by the way he approached the topic awkwardly and avoided looking at her. And he was shocked when she told him it was DFYQ and it wasn't that answer that he expected. He's not jealous of DFYQ.
In the series, MB and HQG start off on an equal status as friends so i guess that they have a platonic connection that already exists before they become master and disciple. This will change the creepy dynamics of their relationship in the novel.
"Hope the paparazzi doesn't scare her away."
DeleteShe's rather pretty and from Mango interview, probably his fan from long before. But nahhhhhh no electricity between them, if any one sided. He did give a big hint in past interviews; go for him! Run after him! Pursue him!
Still can't believe fans hoping for a Joe Chen reunion.People it is over!
Ya lor you caught his bad habit. I don't think he is a good liar!! Too much blinkng but it could be because he is nervous.
It is actually quite funny watch when he is under stress. If you watch enough of Wallace's interviews, it is really easy to pick up on his facial expressions when he is stressed. I remember he was doing promo for XAJH a few years ago and he was blinking all throughout the show because the hosts were teasing him (which was really bad since this was a shy guy who and rarely appeared on a variety show). And you can see him blinking away when he is asked about his recent scandals. Wallace is not a complicated guy to read and he seems quite genuine in his interviews.
DeleteI actually ship Wallace with someone else but oh well, I will be happy if he goes with anybody if it makes him happy. He seems to have so many scandals in the past few years, that gossip spread the minute he comes into contact with any living female. Isn't Joe dating someone else now?
She has been rumoured with a lot of others and yet persistently there's Wallace. Right now all those he has been rumoured with recently have been filtered out of his life, Michelle and Joe. Tiffany and Ruby ruled themselves out. It's that pesky Viann still persistent but that is only sex and for a guy who blinks so much like you said, I just feel he is not that sort to "steal a bite".
DeleteIs Zhao Liying with someone? Doubt he is rumoured with her. He seems rather comfortable with young girl Yang Zi issit? But he ruled himself out. The current one filming the "porn film title" series... too young? He likes older women since he is so "old"?
Maybe he is seeing someone. He can't be so alone. Like I always said, probably someone not in entertainment world or maybe the make up artiste!!
No you DO NOT want him to be with Viann. She will make his life a living hell. He needs someone like.. ordinary and not into expressing all her love and pain and hurt in weibo. Which rules me out though mine is my blog.
DeleteI think with Wallace's face and personality, he can suit a girl who can be young or older. As long as he is happy.
DeleteBTW, I'm shipping ZLY with Chen Xiao! =D I think they are great friends despite the numerous rumours. I hope the rumours don't drive their friendship apart.
I didn't want to say this in the SPCnet forum but I think ZLY gets more nervous when she is next to Wallace. I don't think they are involved or anything but she may be slightly starstruck. It could also be that she is not very close to him so she is more wary of what she says or does.
DeleteI think,it is a matter of losing concentration and being moody after a long day and answering same questions again and again. She is,not a young girl but 29 I believe? So basicaly she is being tired and a tad bitchy her own way.,which is ok.,I don't think it is,about being nervous. She is not new in this industry and in other earlier interviews where her hair was neater aje seems,ok with him. No they are not involved nor of she star struck. Her body language does not tell me so. She is allowed to have a bad day. A credit to the interviewer for putting her at ease and also Wallace for basically steering the direction whichb at the end she looked more relaxed.
DeleteI don't think she is bitchy or rude. But she does seem slightly off.
DeleteBy her standard maybe. Not concentrating and giving non answers to me is rude. As I sid she allowed,to hve an off day. Same as glaring when,asked a question,you don't like. It is rude. Doesn't mean you are wrong but she is not 100% cute as a button. She was probably just tired.
DeleteHey. Have you watched EP 20 yet
ReplyDeleteNot yet. Waiting for youtube to upload. Am surprised so slow.
DeleteWhenever there is an influx of fake episodes on youtube, it seems to indicate that the authorities are trying to catch the uploaders. So don't expect the uncut version for days. Everyone is hiding. Just watch the Mango version. I now watch it live after midnight. So sleepy. Ep 20 is a good episode.
DeleteMango ver is uncut ver? Where is it? Strange they have 19 but 20 is missing. Viki stopped at 19 Ithink. Maybe their copy is not good. I haven't seen 19 as well. There must be other uoloaders. I just never checked. If they r caught the youtube page would be blocked.
DeleteVideos have all gone private or deleted and interviews are getting deleted. Same thing is happening on tudou. The uploading sites have gone down as well. Ep 19 uncut is out, but not ep 20. Anyway, you will know the signs of something stirring when you see it.
DeleteI have been watching the cut version on mango since I have the major chinese channels connected to my TVpad so I'm not affected.
So basically stuck? Noooooooo.
DeleteDiscussion on why as at 08072015 the ep 20 uncut version is still not uploaded. Thanks to Elizabeth for the info...
ReplyDelete"I've asked around for you and heard some rumours about why ep 20 web version is not available yet. Apparently, the amount of plot revealed by the web version cannot exceed the pace of the plot of the TV version. THe TV version can reveal more than the web version, but not the other way around. So even if the problems i discussed with you earlier at the other place has finished, ep 20 uncut won't be shown until ep 21 cut version gets broadcasted next week. Not sure about whether this is true, but it sounds plausible.
My advice is to watch the last bit of ep 19 cut and the whole of ep 20 while waiting. It is quite a good episode so it won't boring to rewatch when the uncut version comes out. If YT fails, I think it is also on iQiyi."
"Web version is around 42 minutes per episodes with minimal. Mango TV version is about only 30-35 mins per episode after cutting away recaps (which can take be 5-10 mins at times). So even if the TV version has cuts, the web version will catch up around every 8-9 episodes because the TV version is shorter. I think it happened once around ep 8 cut version where ep 9 uncut web version was also released and Mango was unhappy. We will know for sure whether this rumour is true if it happens again around ep 28-30. But there is stuff happening at YT and TD so just wait."
Ha! Blame who? All those versions!! Now we suffer!! Why not Hunan just broadcast the ONLY version aka uncut?
Mango makes more money from advertising by cutting the series into more episodes so it will air for a longer period. So the number of episodes in the cut version will always outnumber the uncut version. So it is impossible for the web version to release 4 eps every week or it is bound to finish earlier than the Mango version.
DeleteNo one knows what is to happen but if we follow the web version, they make only release only 2-3 eps per week. And so far, Mango has not released how many episodes it has cut TJOF into. So just take it easy if the uncut version does not upload at 4 eps every week.
BTW, whatever has been happening at YT seems to have stopped but a lot of channels have been deleted.
I always thought uncut means longer and longer means more episode. I don't really understand the logic in this.
DeleteSo far YT has one channel which is still uploading and is current. So far the channel is still there, all episodes there nothing blocked. So I am not worried, yet.
Eh go back to the novel Mo Bing Xian right? The other BZH lookalike. What happened to him?
DeleteGo back to your post 16. Uncut episodes are ~ 40 mins on average with minimal recapping. Cut version are not only shorter in length, but takes 1/3 of the time to recap what went on previously. So cut version may be me shorter than uncut version in its entire length, but will have more number of episodes than the uncut version. I think the uncut version in TJOF will be around 52-54 eps. Mango may release a 60-70 ep version cut to its liking.
DeleteLet's say Mango is 70 ep. It would mean Hunan will finish even before Mango finish doesn't it? Is some area blocked for certain broadcast?
DeleteWhy china so confusing?
Mango is Hunan! People call it Mango because the Hunan logo is like an orange mango in the top left corner. But like the recent "Young Si Da Ming Bu", the cut version finished on the same day as the uncut version within a few hours. I don't remember there being problems with releasing 2 eps each version because the original was so bad that Mango cut a lot of it out.
DeleteThe problem with TJOF is that they actually didn't cut that much so we have this problem with the different pace between versions and the release of the uncut web version will suffer so Mango does not lose money.
Mango is a large company but it does not broadcast everywhere in the country. TJOF may have been sold to several different companies covering different parts of China. Each company will have a different cut but Mango is notorious for its massive editing.
So when I see a list that says 50 episodes, is that Hunan or is that the uncut version?
DeleteThat is probably a fake list. The official site says 54 eps uncut. Hunan has not yet decided how many episodes it swill be releasing yet.
Delete"No worries; the whole calamity plot will pop up when it is convenient to pop up, same as how her touches weakened his powers which suddenly no longer exists and to which there is a perfect explanation, except this series never bothered to explain."
ReplyDeleteCan you please explain why her touch no longer weakens BZH?
Pure speculation from fans although readers of the book says it was explained. Let me copy and paste;
DeleteAs for the touch and power drain, it could be a plot hole or they could probably get away with explaining it with one of the many talisman/charms HQG is wearing. The number of things hanging off her neck seems to be increasing. There's that crystal pendant for TangBao, the bone whistle from SQM, that charm from the emperor, the bell from BZH. Don't know if I'm missing anything but that's a crazy amount of trinkets to wear around.
In the book, it did say HQG's attractiveness to demons was diminished when she wore all the pendants so I guess you're right but the writers haven't explained it properly.
Gr.. You beat me to it! Grrrr. =P
DeleteIn the novel. HQG's blood made demons and ghosts want to bite her for follow her. After receiving the trinkets, it shield her smell from them. But when she was with BZH, his immortal aura shield her as well.
The power draining phenomenon was not in the novel though, but interesting plot device introduced in the series.
"The power draining phenomenon was not in the novel though, but interesting plot device introduced in the series."
DeleteAnd might as well not added since it is conveniently forgotten. I can understand the effect on trinkets on the smell issue even if there is no possible logic within the universe. Unless those trinkets are magical items and I don't see any magic in them. But it doesn't explain how it suddenly doesn't drain BZH's power unless
1. she is now able to control her power without knowing it by learning Chang Liu kung fu which is non existent by the way
2. BZH is better able to control his own drainage so to speak in light of her power.
Other than that I see this as major plot hole.
And I can't understand why other forums seem to eager to say oh BZH is in love with HQG now,he is jealous now, etc etc. HE is NOT in love with her YET but he is very very fond of her. Jealous of DFYQ? Why should he? He is the one she looks at adoringly and he is the one she allows into her room so called scantily clad and he is the one she hugs and all. I will say no love no jealousy, he is just wary of DFYQ and as a concern for his disciple to mix around with people with suspicious background. HQG is the one who is now hero worshipping her perfect shifu, I will too with him looking that way.
So handsome.
P/S Elizabeth shall I appoint you official Answerer of all HQG questions (book and series)? I shall appoint myself WORSHIPPER of BZH. The rest can wish for HQG and DFYQ whilst I am strictly BLAME DFYQ for the maladies to follow. In the end blame fate. Wanna blame higher up, blame Fresh Guo Guo.
DeleteI now see the significance of showing his perfect flawless back to us. Because later on it will be scarred and whose fault is it?
One step is HQG. I mean that girl should just stay away from her shifu if she loves him so much.
Two steps will be DFYQ. Hate him!
More steps will be Fresh Guo Guo. How cruel!!
Oh ho ho! Her trinkets have magical powers. The jade is the most powerful one! But I''m not spoiling the story for you! Mwuhahaha!
DeleteHowever, another possibility that we have not explored is that HQG never stopped draining BZH with touch. BZH is supposed to be the strongest immortal in the world so he can cope if a little of his power is drained by his cute disciple. He can still fight, fly and walk. Maybe BZH is just not expressing it as he is not surprised by it anymore and knows what to expect.
That is different the first time when he was in a battle against the Heaven Binding Chain where he had to use full power and he was surprised but HQG's effect on him.
Like a dragon will manifest itself? I mean there's a flying phoenix, why not she rides a flying dragon eh?
DeleteAnyway doesn't make consistency. Remember how strong BZH's reaction was whenever she touched him in the beginning? Can't remember whether through skinship or through clothings. Suddenly zero or controlled reaction is not BZH's way of reacting to stuff.That man hardly reacts. So the power drain was powerful. I see it as a forgotten plot or plot hole.
P/s I do remember he almost fell off his sword when she touched him. Nahhh series too preoccupied with Lang Ge Ge and what nots to just explain nitty gritty stuff.
DeleteI don't think BZH is jealous of DFYQ. I see it more as the dad who doesn't like his daughter's prom date. Hehe! BZH doesn't trust DF around HQG and is just concerned about her. I find BZH's concern quite cute. (or Wallace is cute!).
DeleteI think the overall age of the audience is quite young and are preoccupied with romance and stuff like that, I'm quite old by comparison so I see things differently. I'm just ignoring the comments and interpreting it my own way. BZH and HQG are no doubt close but just not romantic yet.
As i commented in SPCnet, I like DFYQ and what he does for HQG later on in the novel. If not for him, she would have never made it back out into the real world. He is a part of her inner world, but she won't love him because she already has BZH.
DeleteI don'think BZH and HQG are made for each other, in fact, they will probably be safer away from each other. But I do kind of ship them in the series because they do bring out each other''s best side (but also the worst side at the same time!)
Who on earth would ship SQM and HQG? Or MXL with HQG? That is just crazy. They have no understanding of HQG, and how she thinks. I think people are reading too much into it and are mistaking affection for love. Just because you are willing to die for the other person does not mean that you want to marry the person. There are many layers to a relationship. I just wish people will just stop reading the surface and call everything love.
Hey Funn. Can you help me correct my typo? I wrote "yet you know nothing if my love for you" but it should be "Yet you know nothing of my love for you." Thanks.
ReplyDeleteI have seen pics of Zhao Li Ying in DG costumes, not not in DG mode as it is BTS pics. IT is going to be a red and black theme. I think she looks very different from cute HQG. It's not bad but sadly, she is not ravishly sexy like she was in the book. ZLY is of too small a build to have revealing costumes. I hope acting and make up will help when the time comes.
BTW, Cantonese version of TJOF names:
- Far Chin Guat or Guat Tau or Guat Tau Leung Chan
- Bak Tzi Waah (high end note for Wah)
- Dung Fong Yuk Hing (reminds me of Veronica Yip. hehe)
- Tzi Fun
- Saat Chin Mutt (not a beautiful name at all)
- Sinn Chun Chau
- Wan Yuun (high pitched end note for Yuun)
- Wan Ngai
HQG was initially scarred all over with puncture marks and her face and throat had melted into a mess. Some guy had to cut open her eyelids which had melted over luckily unscathed corneas so she can see.
So the small scar ZLY had in the trailer is nothing compared to what was in the novel. But when she broke out in her transformation, all of her scars had disappeared and she has the "perfect" body. Not going to happen in the series but whatever.
I actually look forward to HQG being muted (but will be throwing remote at NMT) because I want to see how ZLY can cope acting with her eyes and body language and the voiceover. I think she would do well.
And Funn, it is ABSOLUTELY FUNDAMENTALLY NECESSARY that world's hottest immortal ever MUST, I REPEAT MUST, be scarred and injured or else there will be no excuse for the scene where HQG takes off his clothes to look at his back! We need that scene! NEED!!!!!!!!! They better not cut that scene!
Nooooooooooooooooooooo! (sorry, have to go and take my meds! hehe!)
"I actually look forward to HQG being muted (but will be throwing remote at NMT) because I want to see how ZLY can cope acting with her eyes and body language and the voiceover. I think she would do well. "
ReplyDeleteIs she going to be mute throughout or after transformation she will have her voice again? When will this transformation happen? 10 episodes from ending?
"where HQG takes off his clothes to look at his back!"
Surely she can have the excuse of kidnapping him, stripping him because
a. she can
b. she wants
c. she needs
?? I mean come on, after all the transformation, surely she can and will boldly take off his clothes to make ferocious love to him? Oh yeah... he won't response. Can we move the last act to a movie? That way can go Cat III!!
Cantonese title sounds terrible except for Bai Zihua
Oh yeah, so the images of ZLY in white is TV or game?
DeleteP/s she can dress sexily, she is NOT sexy so I'd rather fierce than sexy. I find Jiangxin sexier in black.
One more question. Can't BZH heal his wounds? Or those wounds can't be healed as in will leave scars? Will HQG as DQ be even more powerful than BZH not at that point since he lost half his powers but at the beginning where he was at his height of power?
DeleteAnd where on earth is his Shifu? Surely that old man can come back and do some work?
"Is she going to be mute throughout or after transformation she will have her voice again? When will this transformation happen? 10 episodes from ending?"
ReplyDeleteNo, she regains her voice and looks after the transformation. I would say probably the last 3-4 eps. It happened around 10 chapters til the end in the novel but since most of the bed scenes are cut, I'm not sure what they can do for more than 3-4 eps
"?? I mean come on, after all the transformation, surely she can and will boldly take off his clothes to make ferocious love to him? Oh yeah... he won't response. Can we move the last act to a movie? That way can go Cat III!!"
In the novel, the stripping actually before DG mode. She had just escaped from the nether realm and snuck back to Chang Liu, where she discovers that BZH is still sick, weak and missing her. BZH gets injured somehow (not telling you how :p) and she takes off his clothes when he is unconscious and tries to heal him with her blood. Then it goes crazy again with another vampire biting scene.
BTW, neither of then know how to actually do it so no, HQG cannot force herself on him. She touches him and is on top of him a lot biting him but I don't think she lusts after him. It is just an extreme way for her to get a response from him (which doesn't happen) and make him feel bad. And she also feels safe being close to him at night so she snuggles. But sadly, looks like the 300 year virgin immortal will remain so for a long time.
"Cantonese title sounds terrible except for Bai Zihua"
Could just as easily be Bak Tzi Waak, depending on which meaning.
"Oh yeah, so the images of ZLY in white is TV or game?"
All photos out are from the game.
"One more question. Can't BZH heal his wounds? Or those wounds can't be healed as in will leave scars? Will HQG as DQ be even more powerful than BZH not at that point since he lost half his powers but at the beginning where he was at his height of power?"
A immortal cannot compare to a god. HQG could sweep the floor with him if she wanted to. BZH can't heal his scars because the nails are supposed weaken one's immortality. They get better but cannot heal. And I think the scars are a symbol of how deep their love is for each other.
"And where on earth is his Shifu? Surely that old man can come back and do some work?"
Shifu is either dead or partying in another realm with the fairies.
Grrrrrrr! I actually like Hu Ge since he slimmed down and matured! I never liked him in the Paladin series but hey, one look at Yuwen Tuo and then..hehe
ReplyDeleteRegarding the wedding scene in the second MV, I think it is an alternate life offered to BZH by HQG through an illusion when he is captured. Basically, I think it is what we will get instead of the SM and drugged up scenes from the novel. And that midair scene looks like where the curse is going to take place. So maybe it won't be a hateful and bitter curse after all.
BTW, check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd4nfsrlMU0
Can you explain more on the SM and drugged up scenes. What happened?
DeleteI agree. And I hope it won't be bitter because if not kinda lost the point. Point is DQ or not, she is forever his Xiaogu, and therefore magnifies his guilt in killing her because deep down she is a good person.
DeleteYeah I saw that video before. Very funny, and I bet he can even play HQG!!
Strangely in make up I don't think he is as pretty as Ma Ke. Ma Ke does look gorgeous. Or maybe it is just Yu Zheng and his idiotic remakes.
P/S Is it a curse? Or a wish that became a curse?
What is DQ?
DeleteAnyway, I agree with you, BZH goes nuts because of his guilt. He did not trust her to not be evil against all odds despite being so close to her and chose to believe that she was in the process of going it. But as he found out, she was trying just as hard to restore the world. Whatever powers resided in her, HQG was inherently a good natured soul who loved the world as he did.
But not only did he kill her, but he did it in a way that would allow her to never reincarnate again so he cannot find her ever again. It was just lucky and a giant twist that someone (not SQM) jumped up and sacrificed his life to preserve a sliver of her fragmented soul so we ended up with a different ending.
I think Yang Lian Ting was supposed to be sissy with too much makeup. SQM is supposed to be makeup but beautiful and graceful without being like a sissy. I find Yu Zheng's stories and characters too superficial (except for MRXJ).
I am still very angry with him for ruining XAJH's story by distorting the couples and storyline and even the themes. I am not a purist where everything in the adaption has to be exactly the same as the novel, but why did he have to ruin LHC? Give me back the non-judgmental, fun and generous LHC!!! Even Wallace couldn't stop me from hating whatever he was playing. In fact I hated the whole production, but Chen Xiao was fun as the feminine LPZ after castration.
I thought Yu Zheng was just using the whole thing to sell the news of Joe and Wallace being back together again. The plot, the costumes and the casting was all secondary.
His ROCH was not great as well but at least he got the themes of the story right.
Now I'm all PO! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr! I bet that Yu Zheng is going to copy some scenes from TJOF in the upcoming future! Grrrrr!
Demon Queen.
DeleteJoke is Wallace is a better producer than Yu Zheng!
Oh should be Demon God. Same lar.
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_m5L_dubms
DeleteYeah saw that in facebook. Look there's even the vampire kiss! So wrong but so funny! I see Xu Changqing as younger BZH, like a continuation so again it is like wallace loving wallace. Kiss included.
DeleteHmmm. Maybe I made a mistake by reading the book because I'm not getting the mindset of the story. Its like I see it from a different frequency to other people. If everyone else gets it and I don't, then the problem must lie with me then? Generation gap? I should really stop reading internet novels.
ReplyDeleteBTW, I just realised the umbrella was mentioned in EP 23 already and the hooked object may not have the word "hook" in its name anymore. The cauldron is coming up next episode with the illusions.
Can't believe 2 immortals died already. ZX turning evil was interesting.
ReplyDeleteAlso, HQG's power is much stronger than an immortal. She fought back when that immortal tried to kill her. Looking forward to when she develops them further.
Because she has the remnants of the last god's power.
DeleteBy the end of the series only one immortal left standing. Who?
BAI!ZI!HUA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I haven't reach that part yet but I already know the spoilers. Will continue with next ep tomorrow, hopefully subtitles are ready.
Yeah, I know. But I think it's the first time it shows HQG's special power. We really haven't touched on her last God story, so I'm looking forward to that.
DeleteThere isn't really much of a story of the last god. The novel just says that they became extinct to save the world.And that was it. But then I wonder, are there any other reincarnated gods around? We have got one dude that is a stone.
DeleteIn the novel, HQG actually does display her powers a few times. She learns very quickly and memorises nearly everything. And she suddenly came out with a graceful swordplay against NMT when they were battling over the Changliu Freshman championship. But all of it is cut out in the series which is bad.
However, I think they might leave the scene of the last outburst of HQG's innate power in the series. Thus, looking forward to snow/cauldron scene.
And Funn, I think that Sacred Instruments belonged to the gods before they died, thus they are indestructible. Not sure if accurate.
Which is why I find that part unsatisfying only in so far who are the last god? What are they? I find it disconnected to the story.
DeleteAnyway graceful swordplay? As of now the kung fu in this series is absolutely boring. The best they can do is the two finger thing.
I know who is the stone!!!!!
I agree that the last god arc is disconnected to the story. The only reason it see for it being so is that it causes a prerequisite for HQG to be able to contain the Demon God's power without being destroying by it.
DeleteI have an inkling that Fresh Guo Guo may have originally intended to so something else with the last god story but gave it up at the end. Some fans guess that that there may have been a possibility that HQG and BZH met in a previous life and thus because each other's fated calamities (which sort of makes more sense) but Fresh Guo Guo has never responded. I find that it awfully sucks that HQG sacrificed her previous life to save mankind only be turned against by them in her future life.
Don't be too happy about the stone yet. It may not even be part of the series. The novel says that the spirit of a young girl lives in the jade pendant but not sure if SARFT will allow it.
And yes, I was very angry at the bad fighting at the championship finals. I was expected lot and lots of blood and we got nothing.
What? Wallace is not old and stiff! Aaaaaaaaaaaargh! Who said that? Tell them to picture Steve Ma Jing Tao in the role! That would be fun!
DeleteHe looks and acts older because he is supposed to be older in the series. BZH looked good but he did not look like a teenage. The novel never said but I sort of pictured him frozen around the mid-30's mark.
If you give Wallace the right hair and let him act cute, he could still look quite young. I won't say Wallace is old, but he has definitely matured and become more manly than before.
My friend is a huge fan of Ma Jingtao and so is a huge fan of his lookalike, Huang Xiaoming. To her everything about HXM is absolute perfection, including his fabled 6 feet frame. She knew when not to continue her comment on my Wallace when I gave an essentially same reply but more polite to her.
DeleteI find it funny Wallace is now lumped with Nicky and Kevin Cheng when these guys are a good 5 years and more older than he is. He is more Hu Ge and Yuan Hong group and mind you, these 2 are a good 2 to 3 years younger than he is and Hu Ge looks older than our handsome perfection. He looks younger when he is well fed. His problem is he acts old. He isn't Nicky Wu in that sense.
As for manly, ahhhhhh I see some interviews with fans and when he slips back to his Taiwanese accent, you will see the what I call the Taiwanese Men mode. Whatever the age, when they talk that way, they sound like those Taiwanese girl; very .... in Malay we call Manja, in Chinese Cantonese it is "teh" in English I suppose that cutesy sort of way of talking. Only when he lets his guard down.
I do wish there is a background story to the fated calamity thing, that way it makes more sense.
DeleteLike I said from day 1, her last god story has no relevance except for the later parts and her hidden power. No background whatsoever and it is frustrating. It's like last gods are fables and no more. At least one scene to show how she sacrificed herself.
Since there are 10 items, means 10 gods then and her magical item is which one? Did the book or series mention that?
P/s can someone roll on the snow until fall off cliff?? Talk about cliche!! Aiyahhhh... need to watch in full but there are so many ways to show them hold hands and all.
DeleteI thought it was cute how BZH knew his power was going to drain when he touched HQG but still holds her to protect her. And I have always loved the snow scene and the cauldron scene because it shows how close the two have grown emotionally to each other. It takes them to another level, still platonic but very close.
DeleteThe rolling off the cliff thing looked stupid and the spinning around thingie looked corny. But since it is played Wallace and Zanilla, then I will ignore it and enjoy it. =D
The book doesn't say any link between the gods and the instruments. It was of my discussion with some novel fans that we came up with this theory. The gods had these instruments that each stood for a fatal weakness in human nature. There were definitely more than one god, but it was just that HQG was the last one to die. When she gets the Demon God's powers, she masters all 10 (or 16 in the novel) of their powers so we guess that the instruments originally belonged to the god species.Which is another reason only she, even when in mortal form, can break out of the 10 instruments whereas the strongest immortal of all is stuck.
Sometimes I wish Fresh Guo Guo wrote a prequel rather than an alternate ending to "Hua Qian Gu". I'm a sucker for reincarnated love even though I don't believe in reincarnation.
Because of Chinese Paladin 3, I have always considered Wallace to be in the same level as Hu Ge (love love), Yuan Hong (love love love) and Qian Zhen Yu in terms of age, looks, popularity and experience.
DeleteBut because Wallace hands around with Nicky and LSS a lot, people tend to lump him with Nicky and thus Kevin, because after BBJX, people consider Nicky and Kevin to be on the same level. But seriously, I see Nicky, Kevin and Wallace Chung to be in the same group, but not Wallace Huo. You can go watch the bride-snatching scene at the end of "Incisive Great Teacher" and when Nicky stands face to face with Wallace and the difference between them is very apparent. Definately not the same level.
Wallace gives the impression that he is older because is a very reserved person in real life (until recently when he has opened up a bit more in interviews and shows) in comparison to Hu Ge and Yuan Hong who are the sunshine type (outgoing, charismatic, jokers). But then again, that is before a camera. Wallace might act like an idiot before friends or when he is drunk. I believe that he has a youthful side to him that he has not shown us.
When I watched "100% Senorita" years ago for Deric Wan, I thought Wallace was good looking but not very manly. He was so soft and gentle and it looked like you poke him with a stick and he will fall over. I watched him in "Romance of Red Dust" and even Shu Qi looked manlier than him and I was rooting for Kwong Wah.
It was actually not until his Li Ge Xiao that I thought that he had manned up. And he started building up muscles well which is nice. His posture and body language has become more manly as well. As for his speech, I find his Taiwanese accent quite cute. I know people have commented about his crow's feet when he smiles, but I find that (hehe) sexy.
But I don't think Wallace can be the super manly alpha male type like Hu Jun. It is just the way he is and it is his uniqueness that makes him stand out. He is great the way he is now as long as he regains the weight he lost for that new serial killer series. And gosh, is he smoking now? I hope he stops. I'm not fussed about his looks, but I am worried about his lungs.
Instruments out now are:
Delete(8) Bu Yuan Cauldron (卜元鼎沸)(looks like a spinning globe)
and
(10) Zhe Xian Umbrella (謫仙傘).
I like Steve Ma and Huang Xiao Ming as well, both men are charming in their own way, but neither of them can play BZH with their style of acting. We'll see a great example when HXM plays Tang San Zhuang later on. HZM is a beautiful man but he doesn't have the pure zen look that is required for BZH. Sammul Chan is another male that I can think off who has this pure zen look but Wallace is more manly. And I am still traumatised by HXM version of howling Yang Guo 8 years ago, so no! Grrr.
Now that the series is out, I will not accept anyone else playing BZH except Wallace. Even if they decide to remake this 10 years later, I will still prefer Wallace.
Maybe your friend just appreciates a different style of acting than we do. Not every actor can do all times of roles no matter how versatile they are, and it doesn't mean that the actor is bad.
If you can hear the way she talks about HXM you will throw the 10 magical items at her. I knew what she was gonna say about Wallace because her HXM is absolute perfection. Period. Full stop. She believes he is 6 foot tall. That's it. Pointless to talk to her.
DeleteSammul chan too girly. But HXM does have that fixed smile on his face.
Sorry Funn. There is type by me. I think it must be my fat fingers writing chinese on my small mobile screen, Sorry, but could you omit that 4th chinese character for the cauldron.
DeleteI thin Zi Xun is the most confused woman ever. She wants BZH to say no, yet when he says it, she doesn't believe him. He says yes, and she gets angrier.
Don't like the kissing. It was bad kissing as well. Just came out of nowhere. Dislike it.
Looking forward to shifu in crazy mode, But the editing of the trailer is weird, looks like he threw her down on the floor and then pounced right on top of her to bite her on the lips. I hope they don't but cut out the neck biting and her initial hesitance because the trailer sort of makes shifu act like a pervert. I feel bad for the person who will walk in on them.
And what is with BZH trying to get rid of HQG? He never did that in the novel. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. BZH is becoming human to quickly.